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hello dr. 'he hello Richard and welcome

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to the skeptic Zone episode number 57

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for the what's the date the twentieth of

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November 2009 and on today's show we

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have a report by you later on dr. AG we

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do I have a report from Carl Sagan day

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which was on November the 7th at Broward

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College in Fort Lauderdale and I was

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lucky enough to be in the area so I

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jumped on a bus and a train and another

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train and ended up talking to DJ Grothe

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Phil Plait and the wonderful James Randi

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that's fantastic that's dr. Ricci

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reports coming up later in the episode

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but before then we have my interview

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with Desiree shell from Canada the host

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of skeptically speaking and that's

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followed by a grain of salt with Iran

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sir give a live report from hong kong

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wow so we we're here at the warren view

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hotel in the beer garden it's a heat

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wave on in city at the moment so we're

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just celebrating rachel's birthday which

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was yesterday happy birthday Reggie

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thank you Richard and thanks to everyone

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who left messages on my facebook page

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and tweeted happy birthday I really

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appreciate it and why we sit here and

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have another glass of champagne to

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celebrate with dr. Richie will sit back

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and listen to this episode of the

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Desiree shell is the host of skeptically

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speaking a Canadian radio show that

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encourages the audience to call in and

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question everything with a background in

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event organisation and fundraising she

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worked for years in community activism

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before noticing that although it was

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fairly easy for people to be skeptical

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of politics that didn't necessarily

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extend to using critical analysis in

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other areas of their lives the show is

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the public version of how she lives her

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life where everything you don't already

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know is fascinating and the things that

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you do know can seem fresh and

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interesting when the right person is

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talking about them and joining me now

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from beautiful beautiful Canada land of

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my dreams is Desiree shell hi Desiree I

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Richard ah yes I have very fond very

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distant memories of Canada as most of

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the my listeners probably know I have

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heard I used to live in Canada many many

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many many years ago in the late 60s in

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fact I'd I hope it hasn't changed much

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since then I'm going to assume it has a

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bit I am a janier right I do remember

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the snow though that's a strong memory i

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was in saskatchewan oh well the snow

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hasn't changed and actually saskatchewan

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maybe that hasn't changed either maybe

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and a big hi to all our listeners in

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Saskatchewan now bezer'ej I'm actually

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I'm green with envy because you're one

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of the few people I know who actually

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has their own broadcast able as in the

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public Airways radio skeptical show how

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did that come about um how did that come

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about well I actually we started off

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with a different show I was asked to be

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involved with somewhat of a skeptical

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skeptical except for me

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it was more like a coast-to-coast show

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and when my co-host left it went with

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the all skeptical all the time format

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OIC say you sort of took the opportunity

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absolutely so will you it was just sort

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of a happy accident or were you keenly

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interested in being on radio no I was

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not interested in being on radio at all

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I've I've just I've been a skeptic for a

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long time but it seemed like the perfect

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opportunity to do something that no one

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else was doing I'm glad I'm glad you

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took the opportunity now what just for

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the benefit of our listeners what radio

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stations can they tune in to hear you on

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we're actually rebroadcast on a citywide

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LPFM and that's in Wisconsin and then

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public reality radio is in michigan and

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columbia here in canada also on

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freethought radio that's quite a spread

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you've got that's quite a wide selection

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of choices people have to tune into your

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show do you find you're getting much

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feedback from radio listeners absolutely

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and I get a lot of emails from Michigan

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specifically and I think that's because

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they have the biggest audience but we're

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yesterday and that was the first one

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from there and I'm thrilled absolutely

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well of course you're in the same

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position as me and lots of other

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podcasters where you are podcasting

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skeptically speaking as well and also

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internet and hear it as it goes out

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change in format we're also doing

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ustream as well so people can actually

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watch us in the studio is there no

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privacy anymore not none at all and and

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producer that was it I think that's a

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fabulous idea the more contact you can

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get with your listeners be it on the

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website or on radio and you also take

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call

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too I mean I'm the more I think about it

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the more you're telling me the situation

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i'm just getting green with envy again

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and again I'd love to take live call

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callers what's that like to take talk

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favorite things about this show is that

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we get the opportunity to to talk to

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people not just skeptical people the the

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radio station that we originally

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broadcast on CJ SR it's definitely I

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listeners are not skeptics so we

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frequently get calls telling us how

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homeopathy worked for them or why we're

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wrong about vaccination issues and and

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those are all right there they're always

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show is definitely very much about

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outreach I I understand the situation

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here on Sydney radio I'm very with dr.

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AG which were very glad to get but our

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first call Ellen and our very first

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she started off by saying I used to be a

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skeptic oh my that's that's interesting

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don't know what they mean by when they

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say they used to be a skeptic that

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obviously not not a skeptical person as

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we understand it uh what to you what is

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your attraction with skepticism in

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addictive actually like once you notice

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see using your brain gets addictive hmm

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t-shirts before we know it now another

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another issue I'd like to talk to you

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meeting in Las Vegas there was a lot of

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talk afterwards about gender issues and

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the balance of men and women and this

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related to dragoncon know that I think

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Dragon Con what's what's your take on

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this issue well I would say that this

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percent attendance rate for for females

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at Tim and which is which is not bad

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speakers there was there were seventeen

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percent female speakers and then you

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was forty-two percent I thought yes I

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thought I had not having done the

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figures myself and not taking Helen

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jet like I seem to remember quite a lot

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of female speakers at dragoncon but I

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running around doing account saying how

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many females are here how many miles

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idiot oh I like stats do you well it you

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gut instinct on things like that i would

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i would rather back up and make sure

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that my perception is actually direct

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again that's not tam specific there's a

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think that's that's definitely something

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that we have to work on and and i guess

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that yeah i totally agree with you

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image of them of people who are so set

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about anything new or interesting or

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fascinating and they're almost like

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they're scared in a way now I'm

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delighted especially with what you're

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doing is that there I there i say

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younger and female skeptical voices out

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there so the person new to skepticism

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isn't being bombarded by this one point

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of view from the older white beaded male

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regions and just recently we started up

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something called skeptic north and it's

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Eve it's the first pen Canadian

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skeptical blog and we have writers from

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Nova Scotia and it's there's a lot of

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gender parity really we've got we've got

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Australia it's it's heading that way

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rapidly I'm delighted to say with people

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Amanda Rose we have a high female input

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but you know what I didn't set out again

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I didn't set out to do that it's just

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that I was looking around for the best

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you know that's interesting because some

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of the other communities with really

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with a high percentage of female

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involvement I hear a lot of that from

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the men involved saying we were just

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looking for the best people these are

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just the people that showed up yeah so I

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I do find that interesting I find it

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very encouraging my annually and and I

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don't know if you've noticed this do you

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have skeptics in the pub where you are

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we do what I've noticed here in Sydney

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is and again without taking stock

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without counting heads as a huge

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percentage of the people we get coming

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along to our social pub nights a female

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see and and that makes me happy because

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the the less recruitment we have to do

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the better and women don't only recruit

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other women they recruit men as well but

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if a single woman walks in to something

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like skeptics in the pub or drinking

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skeptically for their first time and

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they see a bunch of other women there

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it's going to be more likely that

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they're going to feel more comfortable

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and so saying all this I mean I'm

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bagging older white male skeptics I

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shouldn't really be doing that because a

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lot of them are fantastically good

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skeptics and great people i mean the

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most startling them and then dare i say

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amazing example is the amazing Randi of

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course absolutely and that you know that

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being said we we really need the benefit

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of people who have been in the community

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for years because that's who we learn

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from we learned we learn what works and

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what doesn't and what issues have been

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covered and how things have been

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responded to in the past I I don't want

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anybody to think that that those people

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aren't necessary or that they're being

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pushed out but it is it is lovely that I

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think everyone writing for skeptic North

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is under 40 no I feel no it's just it's

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it's wonderful there's definitely a

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freshness there's there's a lot of

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people who maybe have been involved with

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scepticism for under three years so they

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have this this huge amount of energy

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that they want to pour into this which

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is fantastic and quite honestly it's the

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people that have been doing all the work

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in this community for years deserve to

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take a bit of

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break we can pick up some slack yeah

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that's a very good point and I would

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love to be part of any you know whatever

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help I can to encourage skepticism

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anywhere but especially when I think

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about it in Canada one of my very good

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friends Fred Bremer from Vancouver of

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course is very active and he does the

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skeptics in the pub in Vancouver and I

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catch up with him at DragonCon or the

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town i should say which is fantastic now

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what plans do you have there in canada

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for conventions may I say you know we've

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we've discussed this but I think skeptic

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North has been up for what 27 days now

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which is it was about time for

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conventions I know I 27 day but quite

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honestly the first time that all the the

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the Canadian skeptics sort of met up as

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a group was at tam and that was the most

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beneficial thing to me yeah there are a

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hundred n my actually the we did a

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Canadian contingent meet up at Tim and

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it was myself and Scott Guevara who

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writes science-based pharmacy and he's

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also a contributor to skeptic North he

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and I organized a Canadian meet up and

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we had almost 50 people there and I

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think I can speak for myself and say

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that was the first time I really had any

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idea what was going on in Canada so

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skeptic north is something that came out

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of that and this is sort of the first

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step in developing sort of a national

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organization this is only a blog to

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begin with but this is a place where we

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can all network we can all figure out

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who's who who's doing what what's

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working where and hopefully we can

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develop something else out of that and

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quite honestly Richard we've been

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looking quite happily at the Australian

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skeptics because you guys have to have

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built something amazing there well thank

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you very much I mean there's a lot of

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people have certainly put in a lot of

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years to to do this sort of thing I

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myself became involved out of pure

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curiosity and interest in

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and I'm sure a lot of people would feel

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the same way but I can't help feeling

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that the Canadian skeptical movement is

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just just in the process of starting to

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really blossom and boom at the moment

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that's very exciting we are and where

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we're very much looking at you guys as a

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model like you've done some amazing work

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there and in terms of just building your

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credibility is is fantastic and just

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acting as a source for mainstream media

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and that's really what we're trying to

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do like within again we've we've only

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been doing this 27 days as a group and

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we were mentioned twice in the National

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Post last week right mm-hmm and actually

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that was that was Scott for something

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that he wrote on autism quackery so the

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mainstream media's is watching and

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they're picking up on this so so thank

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you for acting as a mentor that way

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we're happy to help in any way in any

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way we can of course but I must admit my

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comeback I keep coming back to this envy

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I have this envy I have because for us

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here in Australia to attend things like

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Dragon conant am which we love to do

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it's a big trip there's no two ways

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about it we have to come right around

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the planet to to be there so why MBU is

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that although it's a trip of course for

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you to attend these things it's only a

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couple of hours flight I would imagine

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mm-hmm which makes it easier and

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actually there's a there's a there's a

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number of conferences that I want to

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attend not solely skeptical either

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there's a there's something called

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science online 2010 coming up in in

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January which is a science blogger

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convention in North Carolina and those

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kind of things are very interesting to

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me because the because skeptically

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speaking is not just about pure

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skepticism some people have would would

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say pure skepticism we deal a lot in in

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experts in scientific fields and just

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you know random geekery as well so I'd

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like to see what's out there yes you

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seem to be able to get a very impressive

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line of guests to come onto your show

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Adam Savage in fact has been on you

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we were very lucky yes we had we've had

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Adam Savage on we've had Phil Plait

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randall Munroe creator of the WEP the

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webcomic XKCD Daniel Loxton from junior

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skeptic of course another Canadian

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mm-hmm he's brilliant and you thank you

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yeah we've been very lucky well I get

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lucky is one way to look at it or you

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may look at it as you put in the hard

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work and you're doing the hard work in

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getting the message out there and the

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skeptical voice on the radio which again

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is something which I think everybody

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should congratulate you for I think you

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must have one of the only skeptical

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radio shows in the world um I think we

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are the only one if we don't count your

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new show well the owl new show is really

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ah guest appearances on somebody else's

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show but it's good to have something but

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yours is it's an hour dedicated to the

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topic we all love and I we do love the

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fact that we can provide audience

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interaction because that's after

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listening to too skeptical podcasts for

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years my big problem with it is that I

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always have questions and maybe I'm just

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too lazy to send emails to people but I

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always thought I wish I could ask my

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question right now and and that's what I

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want people to do i want i want them to

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be able to follow up immediately with

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what the experts are talking about now

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doing a live show of course presents all

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its own interesting problems I mean yes

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I'm sure that right now I'm recording

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you and your recording me and I have the

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benefit of editing this to get rid of

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the times we cough and sneeze and fall

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off our chairs or whatever we're doing

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but live of course is a different

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different story altogether you've must

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have had some interesting moments oh my

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um yes you know I technical issues are

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always potentially a problem it is you

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know the show is initially broadcast out

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of a community radio station it is not

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set

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for what we need to do we bring most of

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our own equipment in with us but you

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know there's always the risk of a guest

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canceling skype calls being lost a

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potentially very embarrassing questions

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being asked mmm I have happened do you

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operate on a delay or is it absolutely

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lying I feel like I shouldn't say this

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but no we don't have a delay don't take

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advantage of that people most people are

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fairly respectful and intern Ryan is

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brilliant we have no problem cutting

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people off should they start going

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but to tell you the truth Canada has

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fairly reasonable laws in terms of stuff

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like that who doesn't though is is the

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states so we have this we have to do

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editing before we put it on itunes

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because we do have rebroadcast risen the

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states and one time we did letteth we

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made a mistake and we let us we're

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through and one of them I broadcasters

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was very very unhappy with me so if

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you're listening I still apologize now

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what's the future for your show at the

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moment you just is it's doing well I

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take it the it's no end inside I hope do

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you have any interesting plans or

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interesting guests coming up um well I I

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know who I want to get mmm you wish list

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my wishlist Wil Wheaton oh yeah I

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absolutely want will wean and I would

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like Michael J Fox I don't know if you

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guys know who my dypraxa another

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Canadian of course another Canadian I

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would love him to come on and talk about

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stem cell research mmm that would be

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fascinating mm-hmm um who else would I

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like Cory Doctorow you could you could

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take off the Canadian stars you could

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have William Shatner you know I I would

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love to have William Shatner on but I've

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heard enough about that man that I would

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be afraid that he would never leave

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lose my show but I love him William

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Shatner if for some reason you are

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listening to this please come on my show

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yes mr. Shatner your the invitation is

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there to go and skeptically speaking

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with your fellow Canadians but there are

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many huge Canadian stars out there let's

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see Paul Shaffer although I don't know

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what you took it you talkin to him about

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but he's at least he's Canadian Donald

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Sutherland there's another one mm-hmm

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Donald Sutherland could call ya and the

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list goes on and on i mean there are a

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lot of australian stars big Hollywood

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stars of course but they're more obvious

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I think sometimes you don't realize it's

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a Canadian stuff people confuse

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Canadians with Americans a lot

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unfortunately much to our chagrin we

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don't we don't dislike the Americans we

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just most Canadians are fairly proud of

541
00:24:56,110 --> 00:24:52,700
the fact that we're very polite very

542
00:25:00,490 --> 00:24:56,120
nice Minnesotans we get confused with

543
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:00,500
Minnesotans a lot really I don't know

544
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:02,090
why I apparently we have similar accents

545
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:04,250
okay where I can sort of understand that

546
00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:07,730
you're not too far from them now I think

547
00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:10,309
the first time I met you you please

548
00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:12,889
forgive me if I'm wrong was in Las Vegas

549
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:17,299
at the skip chick party it was and it

550
00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:19,610
was near the pool and there I was and

551
00:25:23,499 --> 00:25:21,620
there you were surrounded by hundreds of

552
00:25:25,749 --> 00:25:23,509
people very noisy and you shoved a

553
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:25,759
microphone in there that's very me

554
00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:29,330
Richard yes I thought what's going on

555
00:25:33,369 --> 00:25:31,460
but I didn't mind it I didn't mind at

556
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:33,379
all they said this is for the skeptic me

557
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:37,129
speaking and away we went in fact it's

558
00:25:41,049 --> 00:25:38,450
interesting listening back to that

559
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:41,059
because my memories of that whole time

560
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:43,129
are a little bit of a blur so it's good

561
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:45,529
to know I was there good glad I can be

562
00:25:52,619 --> 00:25:48,440
of service do you enjoy doing those on

563
00:25:55,149 --> 00:25:52,629
the spot sort of interviews I do I am I

564
00:25:57,009 --> 00:25:55,159
love doing interviews and I think that's

565
00:26:00,279 --> 00:25:57,019
just because I naturally have a lot of

566
00:26:03,159 --> 00:26:00,289
questions so it comes it comes very

567
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,169
easily to me to just voice whatever's in

568
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:05,840
my head being on this side of the mic

569
00:26:16,489 --> 00:26:13,369
I can understand that um I too i love

570
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,499
doing roving interviews or live or on

571
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:18,539
the spot whatever you like to call them

572
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:20,970
does that does that take up a lot of

573
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:23,070
your show do you try to do that do you

574
00:26:28,249 --> 00:26:24,450
try to get out and about we do a little

575
00:26:30,919 --> 00:26:28,259
microphone um I a while back I thought

576
00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:30,929
that that would be a large part of the

577
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,590
show but as it's gone on I think people

578
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:37,440
enjoy the ability to interact far more

579
00:26:41,659 --> 00:26:39,179
now unfortunately we still don't get

580
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:41,669
enough calls in my opinion people are

581
00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:45,179
still a bit afraid of being on a live

582
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:47,519
radio show but we do get a number of

583
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:50,609
emails each shows so raw and and that's

584
00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:52,049
fine with me as long as people are

585
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:55,230
interacting that's great all right now

586
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:57,570
let's let's tell everybody how they can

587
00:27:02,509 --> 00:27:00,659
interact in fact and and indeed I've

588
00:27:04,099 --> 00:27:02,519
remember calling your show once here

589
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:04,109
from Australia so no matter where you

590
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:06,059
are in the world you can call in and

591
00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:08,129
talk to you what's the best way they can

592
00:27:13,399 --> 00:27:10,379
do that what's the best website they can

593
00:27:15,229 --> 00:27:13,409
go to skeptically speaking calm and it

594
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,239
has all the different ways that you can

595
00:27:21,109 --> 00:27:18,059
contact us there's a there's phone

596
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:21,119
during the show there's there's also

597
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:24,769
email during the show we also do Twitter

598
00:27:32,259 --> 00:27:28,470
we also like I say we recently started

599
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,269
using ustream so I am on video which is

600
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:34,980
something that my producer is so that's

601
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:37,769
fine but there's a chat room connected

602
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:40,350
to you stream as well so there's

603
00:27:45,229 --> 00:27:42,210
actually sort of a chat community

604
00:27:46,779 --> 00:27:45,239
starting every week there's it seems to

605
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:46,789
be a lot of the same people coming back

606
00:27:53,899 --> 00:27:50,700
so we encourage people to check that out

607
00:27:56,989 --> 00:27:53,909
definitely okay and when and when

608
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:56,999
exactly is your show live to where every

609
00:28:03,200 --> 00:27:59,700
friday we're live from six to seven p.m.

610
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:03,210
mountain daylight time mountain daylight

611
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:05,100
time now listeners around the world

612
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:08,279
you'll have to run to your computer's

613
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,230
you internet and do all the translations

614
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,659
and the time conversions here in sydney

615
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:14,580
australia that equates to something like

616
00:28:19,369 --> 00:28:16,679
ten o'clock in the morning on saturdays

617
00:28:20,989 --> 00:28:19,379
actually if you we did something because

618
00:28:22,009 --> 00:28:20,999
we have so many listeners around the

619
00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:22,019
world that we're getting very confused

620
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:23,070
as to times and

621
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:24,419
quite honestly me trying to book

622
00:28:29,419 --> 00:28:28,110
interviews is painful sometimes if you

623
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:29,429
go to our website there's actually a

624
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:32,340
countdown to the next show ah makes it

625
00:28:37,249 --> 00:28:34,980
easier for everyone that's the way to do

626
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:37,259
it everybody and please wherever you are

627
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,090
in the world tune in to the show and

628
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,220
don't be afraid to call in if you have a

629
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:42,960
question Desiree will be happy to talk

630
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:44,250
with you or you could talk to the

631
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,960
special guest whoever it is at the

632
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:48,600
moment I really really encourage you to

633
00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:51,419
do it and i encourage you to tell all

634
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:53,190
your friends and enemies about the show

635
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,470
skeptically speaking and it's very

636
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,419
enjoyable and also subscribe to the

637
00:29:01,580 --> 00:28:59,039
podcast which is on itunes is an

638
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,590
absolutely well Desiree what a pleasure

639
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:03,960
it's been to talk with you I sincerely

640
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,590
hope and all kidding aside that the

641
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:09,539
Canadian skeptics do have some sort of

642
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:11,370
meeting or convention or something like

643
00:29:15,139 --> 00:29:13,529
that just do me a favor have it in the

644
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:15,149
middle of winter cuz I miss all that

645
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:17,490
snow I think that may be the first time

646
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,720
anybody has ever said that about Canada

647
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:23,039
there's a red shell thank you very much

648
00:29:38,539 --> 00:29:36,360
thanks my chips are your friends telling

649
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,549
you that your lack of a love life is

650
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,679
because Mars isn't rising in the house

651
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:42,899
of Jupiter and that it's just like a

652
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,330
Sagittarius to question things of

653
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:48,000
Suzanne Somers and Jenny McCarthy become

654
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:50,370
the sole source of medical advice for

655
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:52,470
your mother-in-law have you had to argue

656
00:29:58,009 --> 00:29:54,690
the fact that the efficacy of coffee

657
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,019
enemas has not been proven by science as

658
00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:00,299
the use of the evolution is just a

659
00:30:05,419 --> 00:30:02,549
theory argument driven you to the point

660
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,429
of telling your co-workers to okay and

661
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,159
stop using gravity then as dealing with

662
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:10,559
dowsers arguing with anti-vaxxers

663
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,450
harping on homie up with this squirrel

664
00:30:16,999 --> 00:30:14,240
in with collation squabbling with

665
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:17,009
Scientology and bickering with Bigfoot

666
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:19,710
left you wondering what can I do to

667
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:25,550
then head on over to the James Randi

668
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:29,670
Educational Foundation at ww Randy o RG

669
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:32,130
and contribute to the season of recent

670
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:34,530
fundraising campaign by clicking on the

671
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:36,300
donate button every dollar you give

672
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:39,240
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673
00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:41,610
just get frustrated get involved donate

674
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:48,870
at ww are a ND Iorg a channel on that i

675
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:00,720
do is see let's all take this with a

676
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:08,970
grain of salt he's around second i have

677
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:10,760
recently spent a few days in hong kong

678
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:13,980
my friend Alethea a local skeptic told

679
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:15,750
me about Hong Kong's Noah's Ark Museum

680
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:17,670
and suggested it as an interesting place

681
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,340
to visit she might have been joking but

682
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:22,320
I took her suggestion seriously and on a

683
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,750
cold and windy Hong Kong day headed on

684
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:26,340
the 30-minute ferry ride from Hong Kong

685
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:29,070
Island to park island I've done a bit of

686
00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:30,690
research about the place before going

687
00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:33,030
and one issue that came up in several

688
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:34,830
sources was that the museum is not

689
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,450
upfront about the underlying religious

690
00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:38,700
agenda and was portraying itself as a

691
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,280
sort of environmental museum I was

692
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:43,200
looking forward to finding out how how a

693
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:45,540
creationist message can be hidden in a

694
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:47,610
museum whose centerpiece is a supposedly

695
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,700
life-size replica of Noah's Ark here are

696
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,440
some of my experiences from the visit to

697
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:55,080
the museum I apologize for the quality

698
00:31:59,540 --> 00:31:57,240
of some of the audio especially that

699
00:32:03,020 --> 00:31:59,550
which was recorded outside in very windy

700
00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:03,030
conditions I'm just got off the ferry

701
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:06,660
and putting across a narrow stretch of

702
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:11,430
water can see the arc and it is huge it

703
00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:13,500
is absolutely unbelievably huge I'm

704
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:15,870
going to obviously come a lot close so

705
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:18,690
it's now probably about 300 meters away

706
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:21,990
from me but taking some photos which

707
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:24,380
I'll probably put on the podcast website

708
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:28,740
just to clarify how big it is truly

709
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:32,760
very impressive it's clear right from

710
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,730
the start that there's definitely an

711
00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:37,260
intention to make it quite scientific

712
00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:41,400
here bit of a Natural History Museum of

713
00:32:48,919 --> 00:32:45,780
sorts there's statues or models of

714
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,929
different animals like various raccoons

715
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:51,980
and deer and in the red panda and

716
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:55,800
there's information about them accurate

717
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:57,330
information as far as I can tell it's

718
00:33:01,780 --> 00:32:58,620
definitely not something that would be

719
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:01,790
controversial along with the

720
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,100
conservation status how endangered there

721
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:08,100
are so that's pretty good start I'd say

722
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:13,010
I'm near the ark at the moment it's

723
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:19,320
really huge it's probably about on 10

724
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:23,160
maybe 12 meters tall I'm not sure I

725
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,490
can't even guess what the length is but

726
00:33:32,889 --> 00:33:29,159
I wouldn't be surprised if it's

727
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:32,899
about 80 meters it's very large it looks

728
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,450
like tomato fake wood it doesn't look

729
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:38,340
like it's made of wood it looks like one

730
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:42,090
of those planks of plastic that made to

731
00:33:48,229 --> 00:33:45,720
look like wood I'm now a near the

732
00:33:50,659 --> 00:33:48,239
entrance to the ark and there's a huge

733
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:50,669
accumulation of very large animals here

734
00:33:57,859 --> 00:33:54,779
they're all life-sized is some grizzly

735
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:57,869
bears to the left me here that to look a

736
00:34:04,149 --> 00:33:59,159
little bit oversized rather than

737
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:04,159
life-size life-size rhinoceroses

738
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:07,799
life-size hippos price eyes elephants

739
00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:14,720
and four giraffes not sure why for

740
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:19,349
perhaps too good giraffes and two evil

741
00:34:26,659 --> 00:34:23,879
giraffes yes so it's such a big hole in

742
00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:26,669
the whole thing I mean with the humans

743
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:28,429
we understand the idea of good and bad

744
00:34:35,029 --> 00:34:32,760
evil and very very good saintly at first

745
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:35,039
but with animals am what in fact is an

746
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,490
evil giraffe how do they I will eat all

747
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:40,960
the leaves on this tree

748
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:45,000
I will need more lives than I should and

749
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:53,129
then other giraffes may die hahaha

750
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:57,250
I am an evil herbivore

751
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,320
I just ended the Ark and that's where

752
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:04,900
the museum is inside the ark in the main

753
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:07,270
part of the museum and I must say that

754
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:09,810
the first thing that we mentioned his

755
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:13,950
creation so it's not quite as hidden as

756
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:18,250
was suggested to me it's not explicit

757
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:20,830
but it's in these presentation that you

758
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:23,340
may be able to hear behind me it's in

759
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Chinese so I can't understand it but

760
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:29,050
there's subtitles and they still put

761
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:30,910
links to the creation museum and they

762
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:32,950
they show the creation museum in the

763
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:35,770
United States their presentation and

764
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:38,080
they have a presentation here of all

765
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:39,580
kinds of Arc's built around the world

766
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:42,010
including I'm ashamed to say one that's

767
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:45,460
in Israel none in Australia fortunately

768
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:49,450
that's good the emergence of corruption

769
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:51,310
and destruction of harmony I think

770
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:52,840
that's probably the theme of this museum

771
00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:55,630
it's trying to create a link between

772
00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:57,460
what's happening today and what

773
00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:58,750
supposedly happened in the times of

774
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,720
notes the world's crisis and problems

775
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:04,000
repeatedly repeatedly recur throughout

776
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:07,090
history and they go on to say that

777
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:08,890
according to the Bible on the creation

778
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:10,420
of man to the birth of Noah some ten

779
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:12,460
generations had elapsed during which

780
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:14,380
evil acts were increasingly perpetrated

781
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:16,030
by mankind is trying the originally

782
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:19,630
perfect world created by God no blah

783
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:22,120
blah blah ah finally got decided he

784
00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:23,890
would destroy mankind with a great flood

785
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:26,440
saving only Noah his family and all

786
00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:29,080
living animals she survived through the

787
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:31,780
ark and await in New World all living

788
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:35,250
animals as far as i know only very few

789
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:38,410
living animals would have survived the

790
00:36:45,809 --> 00:36:42,700
flood inside the ark an interesting

791
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:48,220
okay this is now where there's a

792
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:50,180
presentation about the building of the

793
00:37:00,099 --> 00:36:53,740
ark not the original one the one here

794
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:00,109
it's son 13.5 meters tall 22.5 meters

795
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:05,569
wide and 135 meters long which is even

796
00:37:13,809 --> 00:37:07,940
longer than it looked to me on the

797
00:37:17,019 --> 00:37:13,819
outside gets better apparently there's a

798
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:17,029
conspiracy so the top intelligence in

799
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:20,839
agency of the US it found a mysterious

800
00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:22,700
object on that all right and I'd kept

801
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:25,940
silent for nearly half a century is a

802
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:28,490
screen here it says confidential I

803
00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:32,220
wondering if I put my hands oh yeah

804
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:36,150
I put my hand there and it scanned my

805
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:39,540
fingerprints supposedly it's now showing

806
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:42,510
all kinds of anomalies for Mount Ararat

807
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:47,849
the collect rocks to me but maybe

808
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:51,810
there's the ark not sure really this

809
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:54,090
this is getting better and better but

810
00:38:00,560 --> 00:37:56,849
now showing information about the u.s.

811
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:00,570
astronaut colin james owen was the

812
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,630
eighth man to walk on the moon and he

813
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:05,040
walked on the moon but when he tried to

814
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,320
climb Mount Ararat in 1992 he fell and

815
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:13,440
hurt his head quite badly and some would

816
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:14,760
say he hurt his head before climbing

817
00:38:21,859 --> 00:38:18,750
Martha but that's that's me and the

818
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:21,869
title of this is a life-threatening

819
00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:25,530
experience climbing Mount Ararat is more

820
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:29,070
challenging than walking on the moon yes

821
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:33,930
I was like I've just come out of a very

822
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:38,040
interesting 3d movie about the flood was

823
00:38:43,099 --> 00:38:39,770
combined with special effects like

824
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:43,109
moving floor and bass sounds that I

825
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:46,500
really increased the effect of the movie

826
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:48,690
it was really rather impressive if

827
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:50,970
they'd shown the same kind of movie

828
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,270
about the flooding of the Mediterranean

829
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:56,520
Basin which is probably the source of

830
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:59,010
the flood when I would have been

831
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:01,380
impressed but no the water actually came

832
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:04,140
not only from the sky but also from

833
00:39:10,099 --> 00:39:07,260
within the earth somehow like oh gate

834
00:39:12,859 --> 00:39:10,109
guys's but it's being huge amounts of

835
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:12,869
water another thing that i found

836
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:15,089
interesting about the movie was that

837
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:18,300
Noah his family and always fellow men

838
00:39:26,359 --> 00:39:22,710
and women wrote Chinese now enter the

839
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:26,369
part of the exhibition that is more

840
00:39:31,710 --> 00:39:28,450
about nature really

841
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:31,720
is talked about all kinds of animal and

842
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,190
plant life showing bees and and some all

843
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:40,000
kinds of fishes but amongst all that

844
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:44,020
there's sessions on the walls like who

845
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:46,690
what causes the other planets to rotate

846
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:50,079
endlessly hmm I think we know very well

847
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:54,510
what causes them to rotate endlessly and

848
00:40:00,900 --> 00:39:57,130
can man survive on any other planet

849
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:00,910
apart from the planet Earth that is

850
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:02,920
probably the most creationist question

851
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:04,990
you'd ever hear the anthropic principle

852
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:09,670
universe very amusing I've just attended

853
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:13,500
a 4d movie about the state of the world

854
00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:17,770
in which they showed how humans ruin the

855
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:19,540
world with garbage and with

856
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:22,690
environmental disregard and of course in

857
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:26,010
ended with us being saved on Noah's Ark

858
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:29,550
hopefully a metaphorical one this time

859
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:32,290
okay well I've found something

860
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:33,910
interesting even here within the

861
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:37,599
treasure house the kids section there's

862
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:40,950
a large model of t-rex skull here

863
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:44,290
they're describing what fossils are and

864
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:46,630
it's great to see how they managed to

865
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,170
completely avoid the question of time

866
00:40:54,059 --> 00:40:52,000
fossils hardened like rock remains of

867
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:54,069
ancient animals and plants through

868
00:40:57,930 --> 00:40:55,510
studying fossils we can learn more about

869
00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:57,940
love and lives in the past they

870
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:00,940
explained here that fossils formed when

871
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:03,190
animals and plants are quickly buried by

872
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,880
sand or mud over time many layers of mud

873
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:09,520
covered the remains and after many many

874
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:13,210
years mmm 6,000 apparently they hardened

875
00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:14,980
and became part of the rock forming

876
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:17,349
fossils just avoiding the question of

877
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:21,880
how long is many many years okay so

878
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:24,460
that's that's the end of gone through

879
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:28,480
the entire museum the museum is we

880
00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:32,590
very well executed technically but it's

881
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:35,320
very eclectic the message is in eco

882
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,650
incoherent so in terms of content I'm

883
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:40,720
not sure how useful it is I guess you'd

884
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:43,780
have to be convinced about the truth of

885
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:46,350
the creation story and a flood story

886
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:49,750
before you come here in order to really

887
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:51,910
believe it but it's again technically

888
00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:54,609
very well done I'm hiding from the wind

889
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:56,320
at the moment it's a very cold and windy

890
00:42:00,840 --> 00:41:58,410
day in Hong Kong today but I'll be

891
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:00,850
assigning off but not before I mentioned

892
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,950
the Missouri to repeated motif

893
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:05,200
throughout the different exhibits here

894
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:07,240
and that is the rainbow the rainbow

895
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:08,970
keeps coming up and I'm just wondering

896
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:11,950
whether subconsciously the designers

897
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:15,880
this huge exhibit somehow subconsciously

898
00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:21,010
support the gay community so this is

899
00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:24,700
Iran segev taking the creation story and

900
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:27,700
the story of the flood with a grain of

901
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:38,590
recently you may have heard about the

902
00:42:43,570 --> 00:42:41,900
Australian Senator Nick Xenophon as he

903
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:43,580
made a strong attack against the church

904
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:45,980
of scientology from the floor of the

905
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:48,700
Senate chamber thus giving himself

906
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:50,840
parliamentary privilege which means he

907
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:54,230
can't be sued for his statements the

908
00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:56,330
Church of Scientology has hit back and

909
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:58,820
gone on the offensive here is a short

910
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:00,020
clip from an interview with a

911
00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:01,610
representative from the Church of

912
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,980
Scientology on the sonrise program here

913
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:06,560
in Australia in which she discusses the

914
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:12,800
church's attitude towards donations an

915
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:14,330
hour Virginian Stuart from the Church of

916
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:16,490
Scientology joins me good morning to you

917
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,220
okay Dean deatherage who was part of the

918
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:22,400
church for 17 years says he participated

919
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,190
in concerted efforts to it extract as

920
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:27,650
much money as possible from parishioners

921
00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:30,050
with no regard for their financial

922
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:32,840
situation well I'm sorry Dean I

923
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:35,030
definitely I don't know what Dean does

924
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,890
but I know this is how the church works

925
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:39,440
in regarding donations so we don't tithe

926
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:41,450
we don't have any other businesses that

927
00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:43,970
are like profit-making so we don't have

928
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:46,340
a like a newspaper or a hospital the way

929
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,230
the Scientologists donate to the upkeep

930
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:49,520
of their church and to our social

931
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:51,650
programs is through payment for a

932
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:53,540
religious service if they wish to take a

933
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:55,250
course whether wish to take our

934
00:43:59,260 --> 00:43:57,950
religious counseling one weight loss I

935
00:44:01,540 --> 00:43:59,270
said he spent a million and a half

936
00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:01,550
dollars on these courses right pretty

937
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:03,260
expensive courses that we've also given

938
00:44:08,260 --> 00:44:05,120
him quite a substantial sum of money

939
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:08,270
returned so if you yes so the church

940
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:09,710
does have a policy that if you make a

941
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:11,390
donation and then you decide that you

942
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:12,860
don't wish to like pursue with

943
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,270
Scientology or you don't wish to do a

944
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:16,880
service any longer say so they say I

945
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,260
don't want to be a Scientologist anymore

946
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:20,480
we actually return their donation you

947
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:31,500
well I hope you are enjoying the show so

948
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:33,910
far it's a little intermission breakin

949
00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:36,130
to give you a little taste of Sydney in

950
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,619
the summertime and I'm sure you can hear

951
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:40,960
those cicadas that to us isn't it is

952
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:43,840
that's the sound of summer you know

953
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:45,670
Richard remember when we were in Atlanta

954
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:47,350
for the star party at the observatory

955
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:52,090
and you recorded shakarez there and they

956
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:53,650
were all singing together weren't they

957
00:44:57,540 --> 00:44:55,690
know something differently these ones

958
00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:57,550
sing together here that's right that's

959
00:45:00,120 --> 00:44:58,300
the difference there's worse things

960
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:00,130
together but in Atlanta they sang

961
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:02,170
different their own songs yeah but

962
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:05,970
that's really loud necessary very loud

963
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:08,200
they do it by rubbing their wings

964
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:10,030
together don't they is that right he

965
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:17,450
those people who coming to sydney in

966
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,620
November 2010 for the convention this is

967
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:21,540
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968
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,160
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969
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970
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971
00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:35,220
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972
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,320
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973
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:39,000
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974
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,100
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975
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,140
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976
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977
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978
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:50,250
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979
00:46:03,800 --> 00:45:51,990
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980
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:03,810
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981
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:06,600
it's time for dr. Rachel reports with

982
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:12,900
Carl Sagan was an astronomer

983
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:15,350
astrobiologist author and scientific

984
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:17,840
communicator and arguably the most

985
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:20,420
memorable and successful popularizer of

986
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:22,790
science who ever lived he is best known

987
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:25,790
for his 1980s areas cosmos a personal

988
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:28,190
voyage which has been seen by more than

989
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:31,510
500 million people in over 60 countries

990
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:34,220
the best-selling book of the series is

991
00:46:38,890 --> 00:46:36,050
the highest selling science book ever

992
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:38,900
published in English an incredibly

993
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:41,420
prolific writer seikon published more

994
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:44,330
than 600 papers and popular articles and

995
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:47,210
was author co author and editor of more

996
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:50,750
than 20 books his novel contact was made

997
00:46:56,859 --> 00:46:53,150
into a major motion picture starring

998
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:56,869
Jodie Foster as a scientist Sagan

999
00:47:01,210 --> 00:46:59,540
pioneered exobiology and promoted the

1000
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:01,220
search for extraterrestrial intelligence

1001
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:05,210
or SETI he also played a leading role in

1002
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:06,950
the American space program as a

1003
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:09,650
consultant to NASA since the 1950s on

1004
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:12,470
such projects as the Mariner Viking

1005
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:15,170
Voyager and Galileo expeditions to other

1006
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,810
planets he is the recipient of many

1007
00:47:22,109 --> 00:47:19,940
prestigious awards including the NASA

1008
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:22,119
medal for distinguished public service

1009
00:47:26,770 --> 00:47:24,980
the NASA Apollo Achievement Award and

1010
00:47:29,530 --> 00:47:26,780
the public welfare medal from the

1011
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,540
National Academy of Sciences for being

1012
00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:31,880
quote enormously successful in

1013
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:33,560
contributing to the Wonder and

1014
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:37,160
importance of science it was also said

1015
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:40,250
of Sagan that quote his ability to

1016
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:42,500
capture the imagination of millions and

1017
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,570
to explain difficult concepts in

1018
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:47,119
understandable terms is a magnificent

1019
00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:51,020
achievement Carl Sagan remains known for

1020
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:52,940
his wonderful quotes about the universe

1021
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:55,430
and the fragility and insignificance of

1022
00:48:13,770 --> 00:47:58,700
humanity perhaps one of your favorites

1023
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:16,560
we live in a society exquisitely

1024
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:18,910
dependent on science and technology in

1025
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:21,430
which hardly anyone knows anything about

1026
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:25,720
science and technology the truth may be

1027
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,090
puzzling it may take some work to

1028
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:29,920
grapple with it may be counterintuitive

1029
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:33,690
it may contradict deeply held prejudices

1030
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:36,430
it may not be consonant with what we

1031
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:38,590
desperately want to be true but our

1032
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:40,990
preferences do not determine what's true

1033
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:45,930
I don't want to believe I want to know

1034
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:48,970
for me it is far better to grasp the

1035
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:51,550
universe as it really is than to persist

1036
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:53,950
in delusion however satisfying and

1037
00:49:00,660 --> 00:48:58,330
reassuring who are we we find that we

1038
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:00,670
live on an insignificant planet of a

1039
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:03,310
humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked

1040
00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:06,130
away in some forgotten corner of a

1041
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:07,750
universe in which there are far more

1042
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:12,480
galaxies and people and finally

1043
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,310
skeptical scrutiny is the means in both

1044
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:17,680
science and religion by which deep

1045
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:19,510
thoughts can be winnowed from deep

1046
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,860
nonsense well recently listeners I was

1047
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:25,780
lucky enough to attend the very first

1048
00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:28,450
Carl Sagan day held at Broward College

1049
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:32,070
in Fort Lauderdale on November the 7th a

1050
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:34,510
joint effort of the Center for inquiry

1051
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:37,480
in Fort Lauderdale the Florida atheists

1052
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:40,810
and secular humanists or flash broward

1053
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,210
college and the jrf the day was a

1054
00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:45,280
celebration of the life and work of Carl

1055
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,590
Sagan which was held two days before

1056
00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:50,400
what would have been his 75th birthday

1057
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:53,020
the day was celebrated across several

1058
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:55,090
sections of Broward College including an

1059
00:50:00,680 --> 00:49:57,190
outdoor area filled with stalls and a

1060
00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:00,690
barbecue continuous screenings of Cosmos

1061
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:03,220
stargazing after dark in the observatory

1062
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:06,430
and a series of interesting talks the

1063
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:08,680
emcee for the day was DJ Grothe from the

1064
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:11,740
popular podcast point of inquiry who

1065
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:14,230
introduced Russell Roman Ella who is the

1066
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:15,850
director of the International Space

1067
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:19,240
Station project at NASA David Morrison

1068
00:50:23,549 --> 00:50:21,190
who is a senior scientist at the nasa

1069
00:50:27,269 --> 00:50:23,559
astrobiology institute in

1070
00:50:29,009 --> 00:50:27,279
and an ex-student of carl sagan's dr.

1071
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:29,019
Phil Plait who we all know from the bad

1072
00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:31,209
astronomy blog and now the president of

1073
00:50:37,949 --> 00:50:34,809
jf and to finish off the day the amazing

1074
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:37,959
James Randi DJ kicked off proceedings by

1075
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,910
sharing his thoughts about Carl Sagan

1076
00:50:44,789 --> 00:50:42,400
and explained how the work of Sagan has

1077
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influenced the direction and also the

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work of the Center for inquiry where DJ

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00:50:51,929 --> 00:50:49,839
is a vice president you can find the

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full audio of the lectures from the day

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00:50:58,799 --> 00:50:54,989
archived at you stream at dub dub dub

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00:51:01,140 --> 00:50:58,809
ustream TV forward slash discovery

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00:51:03,989 --> 00:51:01,150
forward slash recorded and do a search

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00:51:06,029 --> 00:51:03,999
for Carl Sagan day but before you go

1085
00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:06,039
running off to your computers we have

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00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:07,869
some teaser audio and some

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00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:09,910
behind-the-scenes interviews from Carl

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00:51:16,229 --> 00:51:13,900
Sagan day 2009 first up we hear from the

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chairwoman and brains behind Carl Sagan

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00:51:20,819 --> 00:51:18,640
day senior professor of chemistry and

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00:51:23,939 --> 00:51:20,829
the director of cfi Fort Lauderdale

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00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:23,949
Jeanette Madea as she introduces DJ

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00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,970
you

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00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:33,580
I got involved in the center for inquiry

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00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:35,720
about eight or nine years ago because of

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00:51:39,790 --> 00:51:37,820
their great role and skepticism I'm a

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00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:39,800
chemistry professor here at this college

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00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:43,460
and 10 years from now if people don't

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00:51:46,990 --> 00:51:45,650
know how to balance an equation I'm not

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00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:47,000
sure it's going to affect the quality of

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00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:49,310
their life but if they don't know how to

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00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:51,770
make critical judgments about what

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00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:54,080
they're hearing on TV reading in the

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00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,330
paper that junk that they're hearing on

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00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,119
TV for 1995 plus shipping and handling

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00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:02,000
all these miracle cures and things so we

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00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:04,340
need to teach them to think critically

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00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,010
and the Center for enquiry showed me

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00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,480
that that's the organization that's

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00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:10,160
going to help that happen so I jumped in

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00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:12,830
with both feet and i'm up over my ears

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00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:15,680
by now but i love it and i love what it

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00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:18,440
represents DJ Grothe is the vice

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00:52:24,550 --> 00:52:22,250
president and director this outreach

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00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:24,560
program with the center for inquiry he

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00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:26,530
also does a phenomenally successful

1117
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:29,420
podcast called point of inquiry so some

1118
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:32,420
of you may know him from that so thank

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00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:34,520
you for coming down to South Florida be

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00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:36,440
a part of this Vijay and I'll turn the

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00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:47,040
well welcome everyone and the people

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00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:48,970
with whom I've rehearsed those cap calls

1123
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:50,710
and celebrations in point of employment

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00:52:56,910 --> 00:52:53,950
beforehand thank you it is my pleasure

1125
00:52:59,340 --> 00:52:56,920
to be here and when jenna asked a couple

1126
00:53:00,690 --> 00:52:59,350
months ago for me to get involved with

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00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:00,700
this couple weeks ago for me to be

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00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:02,890
masters of ceremonies couple days ago to

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00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:05,770
give a presentation it was my pleasure

1130
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,720
if you know any of the history the

1131
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,240
skeptics movement Carl Sagan and James

1132
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:11,920
Randi who you'll hear later on tonight

1133
00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:14,110
were founders of the committee for

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00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:17,260
skeptical inquiry in the 70s over the

1135
00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:20,260
last decade of traveling and working

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00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:22,600
with grassroots activists science

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00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:25,740
advocates the single biggest reason

1138
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:28,390
people report for getting involved in

1139
00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:30,850
this well they have two reasons some

1140
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,340
people cite james randi whom you'll hear

1141
00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:35,920
tonight and a lot of people say it was

1142
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,830
Carl Sagan that kind of wild me up lit

1143
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:41,200
fire under my tuchus got me excited

1144
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:44,130
about advancing science in our society

1145
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:47,740
Carl Sagan's skepticism was not mere

1146
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:51,730
skepticism it was not just saying no to

1147
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:53,140
other people's beliefs it was

1148
00:54:00,900 --> 00:53:55,810
affirmative it was constructive not just

1149
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:00,910
destructive his skepticism wasn't just a

1150
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,370
way to criticize beliefs but it was a

1151
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:06,160
deeply you don't hear afraid like this

1152
00:54:11,550 --> 00:54:09,730
often a deeply ethical enterprise a lot

1153
00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:11,560
of people know Carl Sagan as this

1154
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:15,070
science booster but for thousands of

1155
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:16,480
people in the United States and around

1156
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:17,860
the world he's a leading figure in

1157
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:20,980
organized skepticism and his skepticism

1158
00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:25,510
was an act of moral obligation it wasn't

1159
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:27,580
just something smart people do when they

1160
00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:29,980
decry the nonsense beliefs of others out

1161
00:54:35,370 --> 00:54:32,620
there his was a moral imperative I'd

1162
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:35,380
argue whether you believe him space

1163
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:37,090
aliens that they're going to come and

1164
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:38,740
sort out all our problems so we don't

1165
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:41,410
have to or you believe that the faith

1166
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:44,170
healer suppose it faith healer it's

1167
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,180
going to heal your medical conditions

1168
00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:48,300
rather than relying on medical science

1169
00:54:53,070 --> 00:54:52,060
Sagan acknowledge that undue credulity

1170
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:53,080
could

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00:54:58,530 --> 00:54:55,870
harm people and therefore the skeptic

1172
00:55:00,900 --> 00:54:58,540
community are leading folks like him had

1173
00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:00,910
a moral obligation to speak out against

1174
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:05,320
it for him science and skepticism were

1175
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:08,170
for everybody not just the cognitive

1176
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:10,510
elites it wasn't just some smug

1177
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:13,570
scientists who rejected nonsense like

1178
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:16,450
Randy other luminaries of contemporary

1179
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:18,850
skepticism he repeatedly said he was

1180
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:21,640
open to changing his mind if you proved

1181
00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:23,950
him wrong and I think there's a profound

1182
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,380
and beautiful humility there and I'll

1183
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:28,930
end with talking about what to my lights

1184
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:32,890
is the most compelling characteristic of

1185
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:35,910
Carl Sagan science and skepticism and

1186
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:39,870
that's that it informs a an

1187
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:44,830
understanding of the meaning of life at

1188
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:47,830
the end of cosmos you've been challenged

1189
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:51,310
to re-examine your understanding of your

1190
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:53,500
place in the universe and the meaning of

1191
00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:56,290
that place in the universe when he talks

1192
00:56:01,640 --> 00:55:57,910
about being on the shores of the cosmic

1193
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:01,650
ocean that's a different message than

1194
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:05,140
being told some of the other narratives

1195
00:56:11,610 --> 00:56:08,470
that society explains our existence with

1196
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:11,620
so Carl Sagan his skepticism flesh that

1197
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:13,570
life it wasn't nihilistic he was

1198
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:16,090
open-minded in his skepticism and very

1199
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,090
tender-hearted in it and in that it

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00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:22,000
makes perfect sense that we would have a

1201
00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:25,030
Sagan day memorializing and celebrating

1202
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:28,780
this kind of skepticism which is all too

1203
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:32,500
rare in American intellectual life today

1204
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:43,809
well hello DJ hello my dear however to

1205
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,390
the skeptic design I can so tell that

1206
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:49,040
I'm in the skeptic zone standing around

1207
00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:51,260
you yeah but can you feel desiring I

1208
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:53,630
feel that the vibe of the zone at the

1209
00:56:58,420 --> 00:56:56,240
zones vibe I feel like I designed by so

1210
00:57:00,790 --> 00:56:58,430
we've had a good day where are we we're

1211
00:57:02,609 --> 00:57:00,800
at Carl Sagan day today we are Carl

1212
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:02,619
Sagan day at Broward College

1213
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:05,510
co-sponsored by the James Randi

1214
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:07,130
Educational Foundation the Center for

1215
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:08,630
inquiry number of other local

1216
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:10,460
organizations and it's been a full day

1217
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:14,450
of lectures and live streaming kind of

1218
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,630
remote via satellite typing stuff with

1219
00:57:22,859 --> 00:57:19,760
people giving lectures but from their

1220
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:22,869
living room right yeah yeah and then

1221
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:26,480
something like 20,000 viewers in their

1222
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:28,130
living rooms got to watch this

1223
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:29,630
throughout the day at least that's how

1224
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:31,369
numbers they just told me wow it's

1225
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:33,140
amazing and in fact that was before

1226
00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:35,450
tonight's chat so it may well be more

1227
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:37,700
than that well course we had James Randi

1228
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:40,250
as the lost toys and I and judging from

1229
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:43,940
the enthusiasm online I think a lot of

1230
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:46,490
people tuned in yeah and it was

1231
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:48,770
fantastic to hear him he gave another

1232
00:57:53,049 --> 00:57:50,540
personal account of really who's the

1233
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:53,059
relationship with Carl Sagan and what he

1234
00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:54,319
led from Hell Sagan when they were

1235
00:57:59,710 --> 00:57:56,180
friends and it was very moving towards

1236
00:58:01,240 --> 00:57:59,720
the end wasn't it it was a I think

1237
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:01,250
people got a little emotional because he

1238
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:03,740
recounted you know the anecdote about

1239
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:06,799
how he had an impulse to reach out to

1240
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:08,900
Carl does something funny astronomical

1241
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,690
happened he heard a joke and he had a

1242
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:14,480
pause he had to stop and realize you

1243
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:16,250
know Carl's dead I can't just pick up

1244
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:18,470
the phone and call him yeah and then at

1245
00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:20,089
the end he shared the lessons that he

1246
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:23,720
learned from Carl kind of his long

1247
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:26,089
relationship very moving presentation

1248
00:58:31,329 --> 00:58:27,980
I'd like to let your listeners know that

1249
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,339
they can get all this online through any

1250
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:34,640
of our websites the J refs website CF is

1251
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:37,760
on the other local organizations website

1252
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:39,950
Phil Plait obviously on his blog to

1253
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:42,440
share all this as well so you work you

1254
00:58:45,810 --> 00:58:44,470
know the vice president of CF I

1255
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,820
and so part of the work that you do

1256
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:47,920
obviously is educating people about

1257
00:58:53,339 --> 00:58:49,660
science so what what did you learn from

1258
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:53,349
from Carl Sagan in that sense as as one

1259
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:55,030
of the vice president's of cfi well my

1260
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:56,980
specific role is directing the outreach

1261
00:59:03,200 --> 00:58:59,020
program so our network of centers our

1262
00:59:06,330 --> 00:59:03,210
campus outreach and sagen is really

1263
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:06,340
almost an organizational role model to

1264
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:10,570
us because he isn't just about the

1265
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:13,240
cognitive minorities he's not just about

1266
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:16,210
all the skeptics getting together or all

1267
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:17,650
the atheists or all the humanists

1268
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:19,330
getting together and looking at people

1269
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:21,490
who believe unlike them and judging them

1270
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:23,170
somehow or that that sort of stuff

1271
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,630
instead he's all about outreach he has

1272
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:28,000
the audacity to believe that skepticism

1273
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:30,490
in science is fit for everyone that's

1274
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:32,740
Carl Sagan and that's that's what cfi

1275
00:59:37,890 --> 00:59:34,180
boots you know ours is a public

1276
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:37,900
education mission not not a mission to

1277
00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:39,970
kind of set up skeptic or atheist

1278
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:41,590
support groups around the country yeah

1279
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:44,770
so ours is a larger outreach agenda I

1280
00:59:50,609 --> 00:59:47,410
think gels really well with Carl Sagan's

1281
00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:50,619
effectiveness as public signs oh oh it's

1282
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:53,500
his the anniversary of his death is it

1283
00:59:59,790 --> 00:59:57,490
December the 20th yeah this his birthday

1284
01:00:03,720 --> 00:59:59,800
on his birthday on Monday yeah he would

1285
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:03,730
be 75 I believe and it just it

1286
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:05,950
emphasizes how young he was when the

1287
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:09,010
boot facticity of everyone's death kind

1288
01:00:13,890 --> 01:00:11,650
of hit him yeah so yeah yeah well he

1289
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:13,900
died at 65 didn't they you're very young

1290
01:00:18,089 --> 01:00:15,910
and he contributed such wonderful things

1291
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:18,099
to us contact the movie which he

1292
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:19,690
consulted on and of course the wonderful

1293
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,670
cosmos series which everyone should see

1294
01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:24,640
right right I it's a life changer if you

1295
01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:26,260
haven't seen it even if you're a skeptic

1296
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:28,150
even if you're a big you know regular

1297
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:30,310
listener to skeptics own if you haven't

1298
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:33,430
seen Carl Sagan's Cosmos don't stop

1299
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:34,930
listening to the skeptics on the right

1300
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:37,750
now I would go watch it but after antha

1301
01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:39,300
that you've caught up on skeptic zone

1302
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:44,470
watch that PBS series cosmos and he had

1303
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,230
a number of other great great titles my

1304
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,680
favorite and you know not a lot of

1305
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,760
everybody has different favorites right

1306
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:53,640
I'm really

1307
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:56,640
to his book of essays a tad English an

1308
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,760
Adrian billions and billions and the one

1309
01:01:04,279 --> 01:01:01,920
of the last essays maybe the last essay

1310
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:04,289
in there he talks about really being

1311
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:05,910
able to connect with and empathize with

1312
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:08,490
people who believe in the afterlife even

1313
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,200
though he doesn't yeah and he talked

1314
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:12,720
about the desire the kind of almost

1315
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:15,210
hunger he has to believe in the

1316
01:01:19,279 --> 01:01:16,559
afterlife and wish that he could

1317
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,289
communicate with his parents knowing

1318
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:21,660
full well dur they're dead you know

1319
01:01:25,339 --> 01:01:23,010
they're kaput they're not going to be

1320
01:01:27,319 --> 01:01:25,349
talking to him but it showed that he

1321
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:27,329
really had a heart and that's that's my

1322
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:29,069
collection that's the collection of his

1323
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,470
that I like most yeah all right well

1324
01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:32,880
thanks for taking the time to talk to us

1325
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,549
DJ we had a good day I've had it one day

1326
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:37,140
and it was I mean we couldn't have

1327
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:39,180
conspired to make it more fun with you

1328
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:41,609
here I mean so fortuitous ug you're in

1329
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:44,010
miami for work or whatever and you can

1330
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:45,720
skip on over to this event in Fort

1331
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:48,089
Lauderdale so dr. Richie it's pleasure

1332
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:50,250
to chat well thank you and it's actually

1333
01:01:53,509 --> 01:01:52,049
your fault that I'm here because I saw

1334
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:53,519
your twitter and that's how I knew that

1335
01:02:08,640 --> 01:01:56,010
this was on so thank you right AJ thanks

1336
01:02:14,140 --> 01:02:10,900
hello Phil Plait and welcome to the

1337
01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:14,150
skeptic zone how are you boy ok good

1338
01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:16,280
night Phil oh it's probably to see you

1339
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:19,100
again I had a minty from you today yes

1340
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:20,570
she was very impressed I'm in the middle

1341
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:23,450
of Florida near Fort Lauderdale and I

1342
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:25,370
was given a minty by phil plait we're

1343
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:26,930
almost as far from Australia as you can

1344
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:29,150
possibly be we are almost out of sight

1345
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:30,650
of the crime I have to thank Richard

1346
01:02:34,690 --> 01:02:32,330
Saunders for addicting me to the most

1347
01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:34,700
wonderful of all candies on the planet

1348
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:36,950
and what do you call it white gold or

1349
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:39,140
something dude me personally I just call

1350
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:41,090
them Indies oh well they are it's it's

1351
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:43,370
like they're it's it's white cocaine why

1352
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:48,050
no way in it cocaine i-20 form cuz I

1353
01:02:56,740 --> 01:02:53,870
wagon yeah Shh so feel we're at the

1354
01:02:59,260 --> 01:02:56,750
first Carl Sagan day a broward college

1355
01:03:00,820 --> 01:02:59,270
and was fantastic day and you grave a

1356
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:00,830
great talk about how we're all going to

1357
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:03,830
die which was very nice yeah after after

1358
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,260
a NASA space shuttle and Space Station

1359
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:10,400
guy I mean the guy was in charge of

1360
01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:11,510
putting all the stuff together make sure

1361
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:12,920
it's ready for spaceflight talking about

1362
01:03:15,460 --> 01:03:14,090
the future of humanity and how wonderful

1363
01:03:17,050 --> 01:03:15,470
space flight is I come in and say yeah

1364
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:17,060
we're all gonna die yeah yeah that was

1365
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:18,710
awesome in lots of nice ways though you

1366
01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:21,020
know it was light strip yeah so you

1367
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:23,240
talked about a couple of movies today

1368
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:26,060
that sort of depict death from the skies

1369
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:28,250
are getting it all it so you mentioned

1370
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:30,110
deep impact and you mentioned I'm again

1371
01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:31,760
and you talked about some of the reasons

1372
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:34,070
why they're wrong but in particular you

1373
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:35,780
targeted Armageddon for just being

1374
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:38,660
completely wrong information huge piece

1375
01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:40,250
of crap just the phrase you're looking

1376
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:43,070
for yeah okay this is a family show fuel

1377
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:45,470
oh is it going okay huge piece of all

1378
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:48,530
right yes I can you can you tell us a

1379
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,670
couple of things that they did wrong you

1380
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:51,680
talked about I'm saying we're graceful

1381
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:53,570
as he's trying to climb up onto the

1382
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,510
asteroid at the end and yeah well I mean

1383
01:04:00,580 --> 01:03:57,680
everything in the movie is wrong you

1384
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:00,590
just have to watch it the funny thing

1385
01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:02,930
was the movie started off almost okay it

1386
01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:04,760
an amateur astronomer discovers the

1387
01:04:09,340 --> 01:04:06,800
asteroid and twenty years ago that that

1388
01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:09,350
was well 10-15 years ago that was the

1389
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:10,670
way most I'm were discovered now their

1390
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,880
automated service

1391
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,799
things like that but after that it

1392
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:15,240
should ridiculous it they say the

1393
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:17,130
asteroids as big as Texas and Texas is

1394
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,630
about a thousand miles across there's no

1395
01:04:22,249 --> 01:04:20,880
asteroid that big it's discovered 18

1396
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,259
days before it's going to hit the earth

1397
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:24,059
which is ridiculous and that's like

1398
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,799
three times the distance of the moon it

1399
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:26,880
would have been discovered when it was a

1400
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:28,980
hundred million miles away and years and

1401
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:30,750
years in advance and they're going to

1402
01:04:33,499 --> 01:04:32,250
blow it up and it doesn't work that way

1403
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,509
it's a huge asteroid there's nothing we

1404
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,000
have powerful to blow it up Bruce Willis

1405
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,920
in the end climbs out of a hole Liddy's

1406
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:39,359
doug to put the asteroid and he's going

1407
01:04:43,339 --> 01:04:41,250
to air the bomb in I mean he's going to

1408
01:04:45,319 --> 01:04:43,349
blow it up and you hardly even see this

1409
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:45,329
in the movie is so fast but it's raining

1410
01:04:49,339 --> 01:04:47,130
yeah yeah you pointed that out is

1411
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,349
raining on an answer there's no air on

1412
01:04:52,339 --> 01:04:50,880
an ester and there there is like a

1413
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:52,349
little bit of mist they show it and

1414
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:53,880
stuff like it's not like there's air on

1415
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:55,559
the dash right so it was just it was

1416
01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:59,700
just a pounding unending relentless

1417
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,619
amount of stupidity in that movie I

1418
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:03,119
supposed to Deep Impact which was a

1419
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:05,490
thoughtful smart move far more

1420
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:07,529
interesting and engaging movie even

1421
01:05:13,819 --> 01:05:12,059
though it was slower and and no more of

1422
01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:13,829
a human and emotional drama than it was

1423
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,589
about the wiping out of humanity itself

1424
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:18,240
but it still has some great special

1425
01:05:21,499 --> 01:05:19,890
effects did not are you sure she showed

1426
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:21,509
a bit where they have the tsunami from

1427
01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:24,839
the smaller asteroid but it's isn't a

1428
01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:26,579
sort of a comet comet yeah I'm hits

1429
01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:28,470
idiot way in the Atlantic Ocean yeah and

1430
01:05:31,999 --> 01:05:30,150
it's awesome where there's a tsunami

1431
01:05:35,779 --> 01:05:32,009
that knocks over most of New York City

1432
01:05:37,999 --> 01:05:35,789
yeah I think that goes on to completely

1433
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,009
encompass Sydney Harbour as well right

1434
01:05:41,779 --> 01:05:40,319
Oh does it I don't remember it was out

1435
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:41,789
of us you know it's a foreign country so

1436
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:44,190
I don't care yeah I'm in America mateys

1437
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:46,619
day oh I don't know where the minty

1438
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,420
factory isn't it maybe it's in Perth

1439
01:05:52,249 --> 01:05:50,339
it'll be safe yeah possibly I wait a min

1440
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:52,259
no Sydney Sydney's on the Pacific coast

1441
01:05:57,009 --> 01:05:54,119
yeah that's right it hit in the Atlantic

1442
01:06:00,249 --> 01:05:57,019
so maybe maybe we're wiped off her third

1443
01:06:02,019 --> 01:06:00,259
members are some other Australian city I

1444
01:06:02,739 --> 01:06:02,029
can't remember when I west coast is

1445
01:06:04,449 --> 01:06:02,749
there anything else on the west coast

1446
01:06:07,479 --> 01:06:04,459
besides / fill your mom should get on

1447
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:07,489
the skeptic zone oh yeah oh yeah my mom

1448
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,609
is actually his mom is here tell her how

1449
01:06:19,649 --> 01:06:12,559
smart and funny and good looking I was

1450
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:19,659
as a child he was actually adore a

1451
01:06:27,729 --> 01:06:23,689
mother no well I was 12 e hi dad and he

1452
01:06:34,149 --> 01:06:27,739
got the most gorgeous hair I say I still

1453
01:06:38,169 --> 01:06:34,159
have it it's in a bag she is recording

1454
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:38,179
rollaways Julia talissa Australia anyway

1455
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:39,649
actually do you have a message for

1456
01:06:45,759 --> 01:06:41,089
Richard Saunders because you're wearing

1457
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:45,769
his earrings aren't you yes I am and

1458
01:06:51,189 --> 01:06:47,089
he'll be listening with a flamingo

1459
01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:51,199
earrings yeah no it'sit's another tale

1460
01:06:56,109 --> 01:06:53,390
goes down with your swauger appraised

1461
01:06:58,779 --> 01:06:56,119
it's a create crane yeah yeah they're

1462
01:07:01,839 --> 01:06:58,789
lovely earrings I have never worn them

1463
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:01,849
without getting at least one cup Oh

1464
01:07:09,399 --> 01:07:05,119
always so you should buy Richard

1465
01:07:10,839 --> 01:07:09,409
Saunders origami here just noticing and

1466
01:07:12,579 --> 01:07:10,849
I have to make the comment like the

1467
01:07:14,109 --> 01:07:12,589
gentleman every sitting behind me it's

1468
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,119
funny because we're both wearing which

1469
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:16,880
so many videos they've died behind us

1470
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:19,849
asked when he could buy them from he did

1471
01:07:23,769 --> 01:07:21,649
this is cherry finish right mystery

1472
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:23,779
investigators down and / or mommy right

1473
01:07:27,129 --> 01:07:25,729
is there and feels also wearing a pair

1474
01:07:30,219 --> 01:07:27,139
of riches earrings that's true but you

1475
01:07:36,249 --> 01:07:30,229
can't see them I'm not pierced where

1476
01:07:38,439 --> 01:07:36,259
it's obvious so yeah oh thank you and

1477
01:07:41,139 --> 01:07:38,449
thank skills mom for joining us today on

1478
01:07:43,479 --> 01:07:41,149
the skeptic zone thanks Arthur Agee i'm

1479
01:07:45,489 --> 01:07:43,489
here with james randi and the cal sagan

1480
01:07:48,249 --> 01:07:45,499
day and browse college is so horrid oh

1481
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:48,259
hello Andy pleasure to be here it's

1482
01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:49,850
lovely to see you and

1483
01:07:55,570 --> 01:07:51,620
you just gave a wonderful talk about

1484
01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:55,580
your experiences with carl sagan and i

1485
01:07:59,830 --> 01:07:58,370
was particularly moved by the last part

1486
01:08:01,690 --> 01:07:59,840
of your toll on you mentioned that you'd

1487
01:08:03,550 --> 01:08:01,700
seen a funny joke about astronomy and

1488
01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:03,560
you went to pick up the phone you

1489
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,350
remembered he's not here anymore yes it

1490
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:09,440
shows you how how you can cling to a

1491
01:08:14,770 --> 01:08:11,930
memory like that do not but I must tell

1492
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:14,780
you also as an addition to end I took

1493
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:17,060
his number off my automatic dialer at

1494
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,910
that point because I realized it's

1495
01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:21,440
difficult to do that because you

1496
01:08:26,349 --> 01:08:23,270
actually admit that someone's not there

1497
01:08:28,990 --> 01:08:26,359
yeah but I did it finally I I broke the

1498
01:08:31,330 --> 01:08:29,000
ties yeah but he'll always be working on

1499
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,340
where they are we you taught us some

1500
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:33,920
wonderful stories tonight about about

1501
01:08:36,849 --> 01:08:35,390
his work but also you gave us some very

1502
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:36,859
funny anecdotes can you tell our

1503
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:40,190
listeners about the story of him and his

1504
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:42,440
demands of talks and the reasons why he

1505
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,210
asked for such more and more things when

1506
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:46,880
it came to lecture me first yeah Carl

1507
01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:49,490
once told me when I commented on me a

1508
01:08:55,230 --> 01:08:52,550
very large sum that he demanded to

1509
01:08:58,420 --> 01:08:55,240
Michael wallet in travel and do lectures

1510
01:09:00,820 --> 01:08:58,430
which was twenty thousand dollars in a

1511
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:00,830
day when $20,000 a lot more than it is

1512
01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:04,250
too late and not only that he had a

1513
01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:07,490
private jet and the state and the very

1514
01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:09,470
finest Hotel in me the biggest suite in

1515
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:11,840
the hotel and a private secretary would

1516
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,330
travel with him because as was showing

1517
01:09:19,150 --> 01:09:16,880
tense earlier today he always dictated

1518
01:09:21,099 --> 01:09:19,160
he never typed himself that's right you

1519
01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:21,109
didn't talk to any of his birthday he

1520
01:09:25,330 --> 01:09:23,000
never led to time but that's one reason

1521
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:25,340
why his writing was so excellent because

1522
01:09:31,630 --> 01:09:28,880
it was conversational he dictated it and

1523
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:31,640
it was transcribed that way so it's

1524
01:09:34,599 --> 01:09:33,170
different from something that changed

1525
01:09:37,959 --> 01:09:34,609
sit and taco that

1526
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:37,969
and a type we had a keyboard yeah so he

1527
01:09:41,769 --> 01:09:39,980
kept asking for he asked for secretary

1528
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:41,779
he said in an expensive all of these

1529
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:43,790
costs and the reason for it was he

1530
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:47,480
didn't walk Judy he didn't like to

1531
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,210
travel he was so busy yeah dad with his

1532
01:09:54,729 --> 01:09:52,880
own agenda and doing his regular workers

1533
01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:54,739
but he didn't have the time you learn we

1534
01:09:58,570 --> 01:09:56,840
tried to discourage them and then he

1535
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,580
said to me but hey if we're gonna pay

1536
01:10:03,340 --> 01:10:00,080
that kind of money and give me all that

1537
01:10:06,609 --> 01:10:03,350
he said I'll take it yeah yeah exchange

1538
01:10:08,770 --> 01:10:06,619
well you also mentioned Carlos and of

1539
01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:08,780
course Carlos is very famous in

1540
01:10:12,669 --> 01:10:10,790
Australia and in fact i was on radio

1541
01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:12,679
with Richard Saunders only two weeks ago

1542
01:10:20,410 --> 01:10:15,310
oh yeah we were talking about the Carlos

1543
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,420
and I wondered also recently of course

1544
01:10:24,459 --> 01:10:22,880
Don Lane passed away this yeah yeah and

1545
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:24,469
you were all over the televisions again

1546
01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:26,750
because of the instant way you burn off

1547
01:10:32,620 --> 01:10:30,440
the Don lady now can you tell us a

1548
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:32,630
little bit about that that Randy all

1549
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:35,090
about the episode was on way yes oh yes

1550
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:37,310
well I appeared on the online show and

1551
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:40,760
he told me in advance III told him I

1552
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:42,830
don't want to do the stupid irregular

1553
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:45,290
tricks of bending teas and forks and

1554
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:47,630
things like that spoons at I just don't

1555
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,050
want to do that I want to talk about the

1556
01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:53,420
possible reality of these phenomena and

1557
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:56,630
the the case against him and he's a no

1558
01:11:00,430 --> 01:10:58,130
no I understand descent but then he's

1559
01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:00,440
betrayed me that's something I never

1560
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:02,900
actually revealed while Donn was alive

1561
01:11:07,419 --> 01:11:05,449
but he betrayed me because the front man

1562
01:11:09,820 --> 01:11:07,429
just before the show came to me and he

1563
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,830
said oh do you want to see these keys

1564
01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:12,320
and spoons oh I'm not really that

1565
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,600
alerted me right away I said no no it's

1566
01:11:18,430 --> 01:11:16,159
quite all right but I knew what to

1567
01:11:21,459 --> 01:11:18,440
expect so he didn't take me by surprise

1568
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:21,469
when he uncovered these these props on

1569
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:23,680
the table and of course I then

1570
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,110
he didn't doing the trick and he got

1571
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:28,000
very angry and he said well you could

1572
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:30,490
just that's all yeah yeah and the

1573
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:34,960
typical tried him and I think he said

1574
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:37,110
something about you because there was a

1575
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:39,910
channel of it barstow Dora Stark said

1576
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:42,040
yeah yeah sure so he said me she was

1577
01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:43,990
such a nice lady though she was she was

1578
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:46,240
a rotten old lady far as I'm concerned

1579
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:52,090
but I must say in the respect for the

1580
01:11:57,810 --> 01:11:55,510
Australian folks everyone everyone in

1581
01:12:00,540 --> 01:11:57,820
the studio and in the airport the next

1582
01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:00,550
morning and in the airport what I landed

1583
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:02,500
in Sydney because I able to make a trip

1584
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:04,710
in order to do the program they all

1585
01:12:09,090 --> 01:12:06,910
recognized me and they came to Dan said

1586
01:12:11,010 --> 01:12:09,100
oh he's not American he had other part

1587
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:11,020
friend is not Australian with American

1588
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,050
American yet and they were also

1589
01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:15,280
apologizing for everything oh I'm so

1590
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:17,260
sorry there was a terrible thing for him

1591
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:19,150
to say it so they everyone was

1592
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:21,580
apologizing to me everywhere I would I

1593
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:23,050
couldn't go into a restaurant without

1594
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:24,970
people clustering around and say oh you

1595
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:29,440
know he is not I'll see you know an

1596
01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:32,110
American you know this boy I asked you

1597
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:33,430
as a question at the end of the lecture

1598
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:35,110
what's happened to channel is where are

1599
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:37,300
they no they're not around very well

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01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:40,360
they're not very popular now yeah they

1601
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:42,100
had their coming and going you know and

1602
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:44,110
they they went and I think we're all

1603
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:45,850
better off for it I think you're right

1604
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:47,830
yeah but then there was one that you

1605
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:49,810
talked told me that in fact we came to

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01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:50,940
Australia and

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01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:52,170
heard about what you did and what

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01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:54,030
happened to ya think she got into the

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01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:55,650
airport of the reporters cluster around

1610
01:13:00,320 --> 01:12:58,199
her and said or you was James Randi and

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:00,330
she turned around and got back on the

1612
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,570
plane could you imagine well you've done

1613
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,280
us a service Randy thank you for that

1614
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,719
you've got rid of the channel is from

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01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,880
Australia well thank you so much and

1616
01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:10,920
it's a pleasure to speak with it thanks

1617
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:29,150
there has been incredible coalition that

1618
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:30,890
caused this event to take place

1619
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,980
including the Center for inquiry Fort

1620
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,540
Lauderdale group that I'm involved with

1621
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:39,120
there's a some of you versatility or see

1622
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:41,820
if I on canvas group here on the central

1623
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:44,250
campus we have a local group of

1624
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,500
activists flash Florida atheistic

1625
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:48,900
secular humanists that we have partnered

1626
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,540
with on various activities Broward

1627
01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:53,520
College has been incredible in terms of

1628
01:13:58,940 --> 01:13:56,540
not only your foes facilities but

1629
01:14:01,010 --> 01:13:58,950
helping fund a great deal of what you

1630
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,020
see here and what has happened today and

1631
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:03,840
it could never really happened to the

1632
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:06,350
point that it did or anywhere near it if

1633
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:09,090
last februari I have not said something

1634
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:11,130
to james randi have said no we're

1635
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:13,260
thinking of doing a special day just to

1636
01:14:18,979 --> 01:14:17,340
honor Carl Sagan and I think it tears in

1637
01:14:21,650 --> 01:14:18,989
your eyes I'm going to say you did you

1638
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:21,660
you were very blooms by then and you

1639
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,190
said that would be a wonderful thing to

1640
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:25,560
do and we approached him and we were

1641
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:27,060
hoping at the most to get his

1642
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:30,110
endorsement he has been involved in this

1643
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:33,060
in the planning and what he has provided

1644
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:36,330
and made this possible so this has been

1645
01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:39,810
a partnership that I personally cherish

1646
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:41,700
because such wonderful things have come

1647
01:14:45,710 --> 01:14:43,800
of it this is from the office of the

1648
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:45,720
mayor city of Fort Lauderdale a

1649
01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:49,080
proclamation whereas Carl Sagan was born

1650
01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:50,940
on november nine so my name is the

1651
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:53,460
actual birthday 1934 in Brooklyn New

1652
01:14:59,720 --> 01:14:57,210
York became involved in senator radio

1653
01:15:01,940 --> 01:14:59,730
physics-based research advisor and

1654
01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:01,950
consultant to NASA I mean it's a whole

1655
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:03,750
page and you could certainly look at a

1656
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:06,780
copy of this in addition to numerous

1657
01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:09,239
awards recognition honorary degrees

1658
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:11,070
Carla's acknowledged is one of the

1659
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:13,050
effective faces of astronomy and space

1660
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:15,450
science throughout the world he inspired

1661
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:17,489
a lot with astronomy and we heard people

1662
01:15:21,860 --> 01:15:19,980
here today to say that he was the moving

1663
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:21,870
force that got people excited about this

1664
01:15:25,390 --> 01:15:24,780
he passed away in December of 1996 at

1665
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:25,400
the age of

1666
01:15:31,899 --> 01:15:29,449
c2 on November's 7th 2009 the first

1667
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:31,909
annual Carl Sagan day will be celebrated

1668
01:15:37,959 --> 01:15:34,850
at Broward College it will include guest

1669
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:37,969
speakers workshops food games lots of

1670
01:15:42,010 --> 01:15:40,370
events again from the City Commission

1671
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:42,020
and signed by the mayor of Fort

1672
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:44,110
Lauderdale this coming London is

1673
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:47,090
officially declared Carl Sagan day in

1674
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:49,580
Fort Lauderdale next year that's not

1675
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:50,840
going to be good enough we want the

1676
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:52,370
state of Florida we want the whole

1677
01:16:11,050 --> 01:15:54,530
country we want to note from President

1678
01:16:12,970 --> 01:16:11,060
Obama have you ever wondered why it

1679
01:16:15,220 --> 01:16:12,980
supposedly took God seven days to create

1680
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,230
the world I mean if your God why not

1681
01:16:18,669 --> 01:16:17,120
just do it in one day have you ever

1682
01:16:20,649 --> 01:16:18,679
thought that some religions have too

1683
01:16:22,030 --> 01:16:20,659
much influence in our society that laws

1684
01:16:24,189 --> 01:16:22,040
should be based on rational thought and

1685
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:24,199
evidence and not unprovable personal

1686
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,570
beliefs the global atheist convention

1687
01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:28,640
will be held in Melbourne in March 2010

1688
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:30,260
it will be the largest gathering of

1689
01:16:34,209 --> 01:16:32,390
atheists rationalist skeptics free

1690
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:34,219
thinkers and other like-minded people in

1691
01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:36,170
Australia's history the presenter list

1692
01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:37,790
is incredible and includes Richard

1693
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,550
Dawkins author of The God Delusion

1694
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:41,840
Katherine Deveny comedian and a regular

1695
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:43,400
rider in Melbourne s the aged newspaper

1696
01:16:47,709 --> 01:16:45,530
and PZ Myers author of the world's

1697
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:47,719
top-ranked science blog pharyngula plus

1698
01:16:51,729 --> 01:16:49,550
many more this is a unique opportunity

1699
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:51,739
here from remarkable presenters and met

1700
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:53,330
other people who just might think about

1701
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,489
religion and society the same way you do

1702
01:17:00,459 --> 01:16:58,159
don't miss out go to atheist convention

1703
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:00,469
or go you for more information and

1704
01:17:18,140 --> 01:17:14,570
well thank you for listening to the

1705
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:18,150
skeptic Zone episode number 57 and we're

1706
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:20,370
still here enjoying the evening here in

1707
01:17:26,060 --> 01:17:24,000
Sydney at rachel's birthday drinks can I

1708
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:26,070
just say listeners in the northern

1709
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:27,510
hemisphere where it's snowing and

1710
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:30,510
freezing it is absolutely sweltering in

1711
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,730
Sydney it's sweltering in Adelaide at

1712
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:35,280
the moment as well so most of southern

1713
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,620
Australia and eastern Australia is

1714
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:39,600
really really hot right now and its

1715
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:41,219
trying to thunderstorm but it's failing

1716
01:17:44,780 --> 01:17:43,320
isn't it Richard yeah there's a few

1717
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:44,790
spots of rain and some lightning but

1718
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:46,670
nothing else nothing else and I think

1719
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:49,410
we've gone into what's now known as

1720
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:51,719
catastrophic fire danger in Australia

1721
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:53,610
and that's a new classification for

1722
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:56,699
wildfires here and basically if you get

1723
01:18:01,220 --> 01:17:58,410
a classification of catastrophic it

1724
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:01,230
means get the hell out and certain parts

1725
01:18:04,340 --> 01:18:02,820
of Australia including parts of New

1726
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,350
South Wales are currently declared

1727
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:06,719
catastrophic so I want to send a message

1728
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:10,170
to my dad especially he was dispatched

1729
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:12,840
at 3am this morning to go to York

1730
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:14,820
Peninsula on the southeast in South

1731
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:17,130
Australia to fight the catastrophic

1732
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:19,770
bushfires there so I hope he is okay and

1733
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:21,449
i hope everyone on the York Peninsula is

1734
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,360
in South Australia is okay so listen is

1735
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:26,640
in North America and Europe and all

1736
01:18:31,459 --> 01:18:28,770
those places while you sit back and

1737
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:31,469
throw another log on the fire will try

1738
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:33,780
to cool down here in sydney australia

1739
01:18:44,170 --> 01:18:36,060
until next week this is Richard Saunders

1740
01:18:50,170 --> 01:18:46,210
you've been listening to the skeptic

1741
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:50,180
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1742
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:53,990
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